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    "id": 620552,
    "url": "https://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/620552/?format=api",
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    "type": "speech",
    "speaker_name": "Hon. Ng’ongo",
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    "speaker": {
        "id": 110,
        "legal_name": "John Mbadi Ng'ong'o",
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    "content": "Thank you, Hon. Speaker. First, I want to thank you for that informed ruling made partially but very quickly. Really, you were thinking on your feet. There were two clarifications that I wanted to seek from you although Hon. Kaluma has already asked one and so, I will not repeat. Hon. Speaker, a document has been tabled because this House requires that when you make allegations against another Member you do so. By the way, I want to inform my colleague, Hon. Washiali that we are not discussing him. What Hon. Jakoyo did was to challenge him to declare his interests. Hon. Jakoyo went ahead to do the honourable thing to table a document. I take it that the document is admissible and that is why the document has not been returned or you have not made a ruling that that document is not admissible. Therefore, if the document is admissible and, I heard you read the name of Hon. Washiali, the question that I want to ask now is: When a Member is asked to substantiate and the Member has substantiated, does the matter end there? So that we do not abuse the privileges of the House, that if a Member has determined that another Member is contributing to a Motion without declaring his personal interest, that is contrary to the Standing Orders and he should be found to be out of order--- So, we must find a way of determining if it is true that Hon. Washiali has an interest in that company and if that document is authentic, then Hon. Washiali must be found out of order and this House must make a ruling that he is out of order and bear the consequences. We cannot just allow Members to deny the document and kumbe ---"
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