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    "content": "person to this tribunal, most of our priests, who are very good, do not necessarily have degrees. Most of our preachers in our churches call themselves many names such as cannons, apostles, doctors, as so on yet they have no degrees. I have a friend who was preaching at a bus stop, and after three years he was an apostle. After a few years later, he became an evangelist. After a few years, he became a doctor. I kept on asking him where he was getting the titles. The titles may not make a lot of sense. However, they carry them and their congregations revere them. Therefore, we should just have a degree or its equivalent in terms of experience. If my priest has been guiding a parish for the last 20 years, he is probably better than a five year graduate in many ways. They have got those feeling of the children of the people they lead. They see the pain. Sometimes people do not come to us, leaders, to tell us their problems, but they go to those priests and tell them what they go through. I, therefore, encourage Sen. Obure to think about that. Clause 40(A)(4)(5) and (6) says as follows:- “(4) “The nominating bodies under subsection (2) shall nominate and submit the names of at least two nominees, one a man, one a woman to the Cabinet Secretary (CS) for appointment. (5) The persons nominated under subsection (4) shall be appointed by the Cabinet Secretary by notice in the Gazette. (6) In making appointments under subsection (5) the Cabinet Secretary shall;- (a) Ensure that not more than two thirds of the appointees are of the same gender; and (b) Have regard to the principles of gender and regional balance.” That I agree, except in matter of the unions. We should designate exactly who we want to be. There may be a provision in the parent Act and I encourage Sen. Obure to look at it. However, I want the provision for avoidance of doubt, that if anybody should not fiddle with exams and then ends up punishing innocent children. People who work at the Kenya National Examination Council (KNEC) end up selling papers to unsuspecting people who then go and expose them to students. Those are the culprits. We want very stiff penalties on the original thieves of the examinations; people who after preparing examination papers, pack 100 and put one in the pocket or the briefcase then go to drink on it in the backstreet by selling. We saw a scandal last year. Even police constables guarding examinations were selling exam papers. It is incomprehensible that a police constable would access an examination paper from KNEC unless they have accomplices in there to give them. These are the people we should be looking for and punish. In fact, the cost that will be paid to litigants coming to this tribunal should come from fines levied on those errant characters that cause so much pain to children. Going to school in this country and many African countries is not a matter of etiquette; it is a family and sometimes a community investment. We have pioneers in our countries, and Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale can attest to this; that people like Masinde Muliro, the whole Luhya nation raised money to send him to university in South Africa, as an investment of the community. Then after completing your studies, someone tells you that The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes"
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