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    "type": "speech",
    "speaker_name": "Sen. M. Kajwang",
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        "legal_name": "Moses Otieno Kajwang'",
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    "content": "Madam Temporary Speaker, considering the mood and the atmosphere in this House on this particular matter, it would be prudent to support the adjournment Motion moved by Sen. Murkomen. Let me talk about the intention or the reasoning behind the postponement of debate on this particular matter, which I do not agree with. This is because, if we are going to base it on Standing Order No.178 and if you are going back to the RBC to say that this Motion breached Standing Order No.178, that then would be an unfortunate position which I would not support. I would support that we postpone discussion on this just to build sufficient goodwill. If you look at Standing Order No.176 that talks about the RBC, the issue of proportionality that we are trying to talk about when it comes to Standing Order No.212 on the Public Accounts Committee, Standing Order No.176 talks about three people who shall be Members for this Committee. It then talks about “not more than nine other Senators”. If we are agreeing in Standing Order No.176 that the RBC shall have the Speaker, the Senate Majority Leader, the Senate Minority Leader and not more than nine other Senators, it gives you nine plus three, which is 12. So, the argument that there should be an odd number in this committee does not apply. If we are arguing that the nine in Standing Order No.212 should include the chair, then you would also argue that the nine in Standing Order No.176 should include the first three people. Madam Temporary Speaker, I therefore, want to urge that if this House is going to adopt the Murkomen Motion, let it not be on the argument that we have Standing Order No.178. Let it be on the basis that we are seeking to build consensus and bring goodwill to this important Committee. The County Public Accounts and Investments Committee (CPAIC) looks into the affairs of counties. When it comes to counties, there is no Government or opposition. This is unlike the National Assembly where you would say that the Jubilee Government is executing and the Public Accounts Committee and the Public Investments Committee (PIC) are examining the Jubilee Government. In the case of the Senate and counties, there is nothing about opposition or Government counties. All those counties, whether headed The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes"
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