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    "speaker_name": "Sen. Billow",
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    "content": "Madam Temporary Speaker, first, I thank Members because the issues that they have raised are very genuine and fundamental. Let me clarify a number of issues and also propose a way forward on this matter. First, I advise Members that the Public Finance Management (PFM) Act limits the amount of information or the role played by the Controller of Budget to whom this question was addressed. This is why the Controller of Budget was very specific. She could only get information based on reports submitted to her by county treasuries. They are only required to submit reports to the Controller of Budget. So, they can only extract information from the reports submitted to them. The second point is that the detailed information, for example, of why were these costs incurred, the list of the projects with respect to each county for which these debts were incurred or the circumstances and how they will be paid, this is not information that the Controller of Budget can be privileged to get. The best institutions would be the assemblies. In our case, the best person who gets this information is the Auditor-General at the national level. So, my own recommendation on this proposal on a Select Committee is that I would advise that even with a Select Committee, you will still get the same information. Under Article 125, we can summon each county to provide detailed information that we require on this matter. However, they will still get the same kind of information which has not been audited. The same kind of information that the Controller of Budget is given is what you will get. Therefore, the best person is the Auditor-General. Once we get their report as at June 2015 – this is the Controller of Budget report of June 2015 – the Auditor-General will now either confirm this or come up with new figures showing the pending bills in respect to each county. Based on that, the Committee headed by Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale can interrogate and examine, going to the details in respect of each county on why this happened. I think that is the best way forward. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate"
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