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    "content": "where there are nine panelists. That is madness. I have not seen the results of the last two or three conferences in terms of how they have been mainstreamed into devolution. Kindly tell them to give us a report of how the first and the second conferences have benefited devolution process before they can talk of the third conference. It should not be about assembling a thousand or two thousand people so that a few people can enjoy the profile and limelight over a small period of time. Conferences are about results. Until and unless these conferences produce results, Senators will not participate. I have seen many Members who have participated looking miserable in an audience of over 1,000 participants. That is not what we should do. We want to go there and make an impact. If a Senator must go there, there must be tangible and deliverable results, apart from just following the proceedings of their consultants. Half of the people who participate in those conferences are consultants of the CoG. They cannot say anything negative because they want to continue reaping from these conferences. Last time, when Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale tried to critique certain issues, he was heckled. I watched it live on television. Madam Temporary Speaker, we cannot subject ourselves to embarrassment live on television because some media houses are also looking for opportunities to benefit from governors. Therefore, they do not want the governors to be subjected to any critique. They transmit their proceedings live. When you are on live TV, you cannot allow an audience that you do not have control over to boo or heckle you. In the panel, they must allow discussions and discourses that show that devolution has been made worse because of the conduct of the governors in their counties. Devolution today is almost becoming a pipedream because of what governors are doing. It is only the Senate which can save the situation. Unless Sen. (Prof.) Lesan- you come back with a brief and a water tight proposal- we cannot be among the numbers. We need our impact to be felt and the decorum of the conference to change. Kindly tell them that there is no panel that wants results that has nine panelists to massage the ego of all governors who want to be in panels. Some of them are not experts because they were elected by default or design. However, they must know that they should listen to others. The governors should take the back seat and listen to others giving them a feedback. I know you are over enthusiastic about it, but trust me; the governors might not have the goodwill that you appear to exercise. I know when you are a new person anywhere, you think you can change the world. I hope you will make a difference in this one."
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