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    "id": 637201,
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    "type": "speech",
    "speaker_name": "Hon. (Ms.) Abdalla",
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    "speaker": {
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        "legal_name": "Amina Ali Abdalla",
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    "content": "Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady, I wish to oppose that amendment by Hon. Lentoimaga on the following grounds: The rationale behind this clause is to deal with concessioneering of public forests for purposes of increasing the revenues we are generating from those forests. Secondly, the issue of customary use is already allowed under all public forests. So, in this case what we are dealing with is that we are going to a plantation forest, for instance, and you say that the KFS has only been generating Kshs4 billion from this forest. There is a private concessioneer who gives you a proposal that they are going to generate Kshs9 billion. We are not talking about indigenous forests. If you are an applicant, you are any person. If you decide that you are going to use it customarily and provide higher royalties than commercial use of that forest, then you are okay. So, in this one Hon. Lentoimaga, your problem is not in this clause. Your problem is what Hon. Wario and many of the pastoralists and dry land forest people are suffering from, that your areas have been gazetted while you are inhabitants and your activities are curtailed. This is not the clause that is going to deal with that. So, I beg Hon. Lentoimaga that this is a clause that is dealing with generating more resources from our forest products and not minor activities such as those related to our customs. For example, you will never have anybody wanting to get a concessioneer on the Kayas, because they are not planting fast growing trees. That is a natural indigenous forest. So, it is a different issue. I beg Hon. Lentoimaga to accept."
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