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    "speaker_name": "Sen. Kagwe",
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        "legal_name": "Mutahi Kagwe",
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    "content": "Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I also rise to commend the Mediation Team for a job well done. The process of mediation – I happen to have had the privilege of chairing two of them – is something that we should get used to. The future of the relationship of the National Assembly and the Senate will involve mediations. I think it is important for us to develop mediating tactics and methods. In fact, the Senate should spend a bit of money or time just in taking Senators through mediation. This is because many of them think that mediation is combat. Mediation is not war. It is simply a process by which you must reach consensus. In congratulating those who participated in the mediation process, let me also say that it is not unusual for small minds to think small things and distances. When you hear that some people said that the Senate should not get money for oversight and so on, it is a small mind. They are seeing a short distance because they do not know whether they will be Senators tomorrow. In most African languages and cultures, you are advised not to dig a deep hole outside your house because you may fall into it. In the same vein, I advise those of you who are in this House, particularly those who are looking at being governors in next year’s elections; you must similarly behave in a manner that strengthens the gubernatorial position. One day if they find themselves governors, they will not find themselves being similarly rogue governors like the ones we have today. I agree with Sen. Hassan that we must not revenge. It is a weakness to revenge on a matter that is unnecessary. The issue of climate and environment, as such, must be something that is devolved, not only from the national to county governments but, indeed, to our minds. It is a mindset. Climate issues are a mindset. Members of the Nyeri County Assembly (MCAs) had the privilege of going to Rwanda where they experienced a clean country and they could not believe that people lived in that kind of environment. Cleanliness is second to Godliness. There is no point of imagining that Kenyans can think about forest cover, protection from distraction of the ozone layer and so on when they cannot even think about the cleanliness of our streets. When you find somebody driving though the streets of Nairobi County in a BMW or a big Range Rover and he comfortably and casually throws orange or banana peels and even plastic water bottles through the window of a moving vehicle, do not expect such an individual to worry about forest cover. This is because the mindset of the individual is such that it is impossible for them to see the wider perspective that one needs to have in order for them to see forest cover and so on. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, county governments must take responsibility for environment within the counties. If you listened to Sen. Wako, what he said is true. He quoted the relevant areas of the Fourth Schedule in involving the implementation of forest policy --- Implementation of forest policy means that you plant trees. There is no other implementation. When you drive through counties – we have done a lot of this – The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate"
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