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    "content": "be concluded? A judge can give you a hearing date for today and after that, he fixes another hearing date in June. Why? Mr. Minister, I want to beseech you; I do not think we need to wait until the Judicial Service Commission (JSC) looks internally at what is ailing the justice system in our country. We are suffering very much. Otherwise, the JSC may not be able to eradicate that culture. Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, I wish to say justice will not be achieved if the investigating arm is not well co-ordinated and looked into the way we are looking at the judicial system. Again, I wish to request the Minister to co-ordinate carefully, so that the police and the investigating machinery are looked at the way we are doing to the Judiciary. The judges rely on what they get from the investigators. Justice will not be achieved this way. I wish to support wholly the issue of a county judge. This is not just because of the devolution we are undertaking, but because everybody in this country is entitled to services. Therefore, I think this is something that should be done as a matter of priority. Somebody commented here about nominations as being a necessity. What are we talking about? The USA had Abraham Lincoln. I want to tell this House the story of Abraham Lincoln. There is a lawyer with whom he was in class. He kept going to him and telling him, “Mr. President, appoint me a judge”. Abraham Lincoln would politely say, “There is no vacancy”. So, one day a judge drowned in Portmark River in Washington, and the man rushed to the White House and told the President, “Mr. President, now I come. God has been on my side. Judge so-and-so has drowned; appoint me to be a judge”. Abraham Lincoln told him, “I am sorry my friend, by the time you arrived here from Portmark River, I had appointed another judge”. Abraham Lincoln could not just appoint that man a judge, because they were classmates. He said he believed he would not be a competent judge. That is the culture we want. It is not that we should stand here and say that things are going wrong because it is a necessity. No! I want to say tribes in Kenya are here to stay. Tribes are good. I am proud to be what I am. My brother, Kajwang, is proud that he was born a Luo. What is bad is to put that in our minds and hearts to be the driving force behind our decisions. We should emulate Abraham Lincoln. Again, when Clinton became President, all the White House staff came from Little Rock. President Kennedy appointed his brother as the Attorney- General. So, what are we talking about and what are we preaching? Nature is nature. Nature is such that if you asked me whom I think is a good lawyer, I will tell you, Mr. Mutula Kilonzo. I call him “ wakili” . He is the one I know. If I was to appoint somebody a judge, I would most likely appoint Mutula Kilonzo. This is not because I do not know anybody else. If I do not believe he will do the job, I should not appoint him. That is the culture that we have got to create in this country. It is not time to think that we can get rid of our skin, which is black. No! We are wasting time because the problem is not in our skin. The problem is in other areas and let us tackle it. The problem we have is putting ethnicity in our hearts. Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, this is not just in appointments. Three years down the line, I would not say that this country has reconciled. What are we doing as leaders? What are we doing as a Parliament? The other day, we witnessed an ugly incident in Nakuru. What have we done? That is the issue. Let us tackle that, and not try to say that appointments are the issue."
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