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    "id": 675039,
    "url": "https://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/675039/?format=api",
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    "type": "speech",
    "speaker_name": "Hon. Kipyegon",
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    "speaker": {
        "id": 1453,
        "legal_name": "Johana Ngeno Kipyegon",
        "slug": "johana-ngeno-kipyegon"
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    "content": "even fine the people concerned in those particular cases. The villagers would pay. When somebody appeals to the courts, the courts used to recall the case, which was heard in the village. It was used as evidence in a case being handled in court. Life has been smooth with these people. The problem is they would rely on the petitioners or complainants to pay them some fee to manage those particular cases. These people deal with issues which even the assistant chiefs, courts and the Deputy County Commissioners (DCCs) cannot deal with. These people deal with cases we cannot deal with ourselves and yet we do not pay them. We only pay ourselves and the DCCs yet these elders solve a lot of problems. It is high time we made it a reality. We should pay them some salaries like other employees in this country. Article 60 of the Constitution, which is about principles of land policy, talks of encouragement of communities to settle land disputes through recognized local community initiatives consistent with this Constitution. The local community initiates are usually initiated by village elders at the grassroots level because they are the people who know where the boundaries are. Even the Constitution recognises that most of the solutions to the land issues and land disputes can be initiated at that local level. Why can we not recognise that these elders have a very important role that abides with the Constitution and pay them? Most of the disputes we have in this country, especially to do with boundaries and land, are initiated by the Ministry of Lands itself. I was wondering what the function of this Ministry of Land is. We could even have the National Land Commission (NLC) alone and deal with these elders rather than have a whole Ministry of Lands full of “thieves” and people who steal files and maps, and people who issue more than one title deed for one piece of land. These people do not know village problems. They go and create more disputes. It is only through village elders that we can know where exactly the boundary passes and who owns which particular pieces of land. The question of imposing people on other peoples‟ land can be sorted out by these elders."
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