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    "type": "speech",
    "speaker_name": "Hon. Gikaria",
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        "legal_name": "David Gikaria",
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    "content": "information is. That must be qualified by a court of law. If we leave it for a committee to decide, its members may have some reasons to say that the information being given is false. If you look at Article 12(2)(c), you will find that the committee may issue commission or request to examine a witness abroad. How does one examine a witness abroad? Are you going to invite the witness or it is the committee going to spend some money to travel abroad to seek evidence? We need to re-look this provision during the Committee of the whole House. Article 13(3) says that any expenses that may arise in the implementation of this Act shall be provided from gifts, grants and donations. That is a little bit dangerous. If we are going to tell a committee that their expenses will be catered for from some gifts, grants or donations, it becomes scary. Expenses of a select committee or a vetting committee must be put in the county’s budget. Otherwise, if we allow gifts or donations to be the ones that will go towards meeting the expenses of the vetting committee, that is not acceptable. We need to budget. Let it come from the public. Assuming the same gift or donation is given by the same person who is being vetted, what happens? It is important for us to look at that clause very clearly. If you also look at Clause 3(b), you will find that it says such monies may in future be provided by the National Assembly. We do the allocation to counties and they need to do their budget from the allocation that has been given. We cannot burden the National Assembly again to start giving monies to cater for expenses or for county vetting unless the money is put under the total sum that we normally give to counties and they do their budgets and cater for the expenses as it is. The health issue is also a subject matter. The young people are complaining. Somebody left university a year ago and will stay for five years without employment, and yet you want to use the same HELB loan to deny him an opportunity to be appointed in a committee. This HELB aspect needs to be looked into. It is not fair for us to deny our young people opportunities. It is not their problem because if a young person cleared his university education, he or she is not employed and therefore is not able to repay his HELB loan, he or she should not be denied a chance. Clause 25, on statement of net worth is important. As Hon. Waiganjo had said, let us not just use it as a paper for production. We want to use that after two or three years to look at your net worth. If we use papers of your net worth for purposes of vetting---"
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