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    "id": 69167,
    "url": "https://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/69167/?format=api",
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    "type": "speech",
    "speaker_name": "Prof. Kamar",
    "speaker_title": "The Assistant Minister for Environment and Mineral Resources",
    "speaker": {
        "id": 33,
        "legal_name": "Margaret Jepkoech Kamar",
        "slug": "margaret-kamar"
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    "content": "I am supporting the Motion, conscious of the fact that we must deal with impunity in the country. I am supporting the Motion, conscious that we must put an end to what happened between 2007 and 2008. I am supporting the Motion, knowing that there are a few things that must be done. The Minister of State for Special Programs has promised that there will be no Internally Displaced Persons (IDPs) in December. We also have a Select Committee of this House that will deal with the IDP issue, which is our area of concern. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I am not guilty of us changing our minds. I am changing it for the third time. The first time, I was not for The Hague. The reason I was not for the International Criminal Court (ICC) was informed by my participation in the JBA of the African Caribbean Pacific (ACP) and the European Union (EU) Parliamentary Assembly in February, 2008, before the Accord was signed. When we went for that meeting, sent by you, with hon. Kabando wa Kabando, as leader of delegation, I was subjected four times to presentation for Kenya. When I went before them, the issue, they said, was that they had five motions to censure Kenya. At that time, they said that Kenya is a failed state and that it must be dealt with as such. I remember that I had to talk to the African group and we passed that stage. We convinced them. Out of great support from the delegation from Uganda--- Uganda had in January, when we could not attend any of the meetings, fought for Kenya and said: “Kenya is not a failed state. We must wait for Kenya to come and speak for itself.” During that meeting, I realized one thing; that a failed state is a state that does not have a Government, and they said that Kenya is going there. We should start dealing with Kenya now. I had to talk to two factions of the EU – the Liberals and the Socialists – because they had different views. We were able to convince them in the third round. But, better still, we were there on 28th of February when the Accord between the Principles was signed. The next day, I went gallantly and I said: “You know, what I told you has come to pass. Our two principles have agreed and we are going to have a shared Government. Parliament has been recalled.” And we had a standing ovation. The thing that happened at that time was the fact that those who believed that Kenya had failed wanted to completely delink anything to do with Kenya and deal with Kenya the ICC way. That was the first time I heard about the ICC. Having come from a university, I did not know about the ICC. At that point, the delegations that were friendly to Kenya warned us that if we go the way of a failed state, we are in for it. I do remember a head of delegation from one of the islands, St. Vincent, telling us that Kenya has failed and it must be dealt with properly. We stood there, Kabando wa Kabando standing by me"
}