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    "content": "and we said that we had not failed. What we said was that; “we have had problems and it has been agreed that a joint Government will be formed.” That is why when I came here, I was not for the ICC because I was terrified by what it means to have a failed state, and that it is those states that are dealt with by the ICC. However, over time, and even when the Ms. Karua was presenting and fighting, I was always feeling that she is right. But I did not know how to convince ourselves because as we continue to discuss, it came out apparently that we had enough mistrust between ourselves and we could not even trust our own courts. So, again, I said that for the sake of fairness to the victims and those who have been suspected of crime, let us go to the Hague. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, today, I am standing here to a back a local tribunal. Why am I here? The reason I am here is the fact that I am disappointed by the ICC approach. When the ICC went ahead to name our six suspects, that was done in a manner that they were not actually naming innocent people. It looked like they had concluded the case. The manner in which it was sensationalized was very sad. All of us have mothers and we saw mothers in our newspapers feeling sad. All of us have families and do not want to deal with each other in a manner that our families will be affected by our politics. The manner in which it was handled is enough for me to say if that is the procedure--- If ICC will not come to Kenya to actually investigate--- If they were not going to investigate before naming the suspects, then I ask myself a very big question: Who gave them the evidence they are saying they have? Which evidence did they use? Why did they not collect their own evidence? If they had collected their own evidence, they would have been able to say; yes, I can name you. Telling the whole world that they were about to announce the names, to me was not--- They did not announce names after investigations. It is like you have already passed the verdict. So, where is the fairness in this process? Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, in one of the sessions of the ACP-EU joint Assembly when we were in Papua New Guinea, this very topic of ICC and Africa was discussed in the committee where Kenya was sitting. We have now changed; we have moved to climate change and social services. We were in the political committee. It was amazing because it was the EU members who brought the topic and discussed why the ICC was dealing with Africa only. Was it meant for Africa or what was it meant for? I think it is time that we questioned some of those things. It is very important for us to go back and ask ourselves why we lost trust in ourselves, so that we correct what must be corrected and start dealing with our issues. It is very important to note that while we are saying that our Judiciary has failed, the international community is requesting us to use the same system to deal with the pirates. We are being told to use the same system to deal with the pirates; so, how can we use a system that we believe has failed? I do agree that we took ourselves to the Hague but we have a right to change our minds. I do like the fact that even international agreements have a way of allowing you to change your mind if you want to do so. So, it is my considered opinion that we need to talk to ourselves as Kenyans. We need to agree that we have a new constitutional dispensation. We have a new Constitution that can be used to address a lot of things. We even have the TJRC. I think it is very important that this House considers how we can"
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