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    "speaker_name": "Mr. Munya",
    "speaker_title": "The Assistant Minister for East African Community",
    "speaker": {
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        "legal_name": "Joseph Konzolo Munyao",
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    "content": " Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I rise to support this extremely important Motion. The unfortunate situation we found ourselves in during the post election violence invited a lot of external meddling in the affairs of this country. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, if you look at the other countries where people have allowed outsiders to unruly meddle in their affairs, the stability of those countries is never guaranteed. Now that we have been able to recollect ourselves, we are reforming our institutions; why do we need a foreign institution to try citizens of this country? Also, after passing the new Constitution, if you look at the new Constitution, we are supposed to relook at all the laws that we have passed before to see whether they conform to the new Constitution. The new Constitution requires that any treaty we want to subject Kenya to should go through this House. So, in view of the changed environment, we need to withdraw ourselves from that process of the Hague so that we can give our reformed courts an opportunity to provide justice to the victims of the post election violence. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, if you argue then that our courts cannot provide justice even when you have reformed them--- Unless you are doubting the reform process, we are already passing the legislations that are supposed to reform the courts. We are also going to vet the Judges. Are you saying that even after going through that process these Judges cannot try the post election violence suspects and that you only need a court based in a foreign country run by foreigners to be able to give justice that cannot be given domestically? I do not buy that kind of argument. In any case, the Rome Statute is supposed to complement a domestic process if the country that is dealing with that matter is not able to deal with it. It is a complementary process and not the only process. Since"
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