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    "id": 697991,
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    "type": "speech",
    "speaker_name": "Hon. (Ms.) Muhia",
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        "id": 968,
        "legal_name": "Wanjiku Muhia",
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    "content": "for him or her to be relocated to another parastatal. That person should be blacklisted for a period of time. It is like the banks impose sanctions on those who default on the repayment of loans. They blacklist defaulters for a period of five years before they can be given another loan by another institution. The same case should apply here and, possibly, the period should be extended to 10 years. For bringing a company down, you should either be blacklisted forever or for a minimum period of 10 years. We have seen some very funny CEOs who have brought down companies being transferred to others which they also bring down. We can go a little bit further to the political platform. We have seen the same CEOs going to the counties to seek jobs as County Executive Committee (CECs) members. Those are the people who have brought down counties. We have seen some of those people seeking to be elected as county governors. A governor of a county is the CEO of that county. If that is a person who has brought down a company and he pleads with the electorate to elect him as the governor of the county, he will still bring that county down if he is elected. So, this is a Bill we can use to minimise corruption mainly by blacklisting people without any mercy. We should blacklist them to the standard of the Chinese - like what one Hon. Member has mentioned. I also want to bring out the issue of reality. We do not live on the moon; we live here in Kenya. There is the issue of face of Kenya. I wonder what it is. I have seen a list from Hon. Kaparo and his team trying to say that a company is headed by a group of people, or that this company has this number of Kikuyus or Luos. We must be real here. I take this opportunity to air this. A company in Kisumu which processes fish cannot be led very well by Wanjiku from Murang’a or Nyandarua. That is because she may not have any idea about fish. In fact, the workers may want gloves to handle fish and I may not even understand that. A company in Murang’a which processes tea may not be led well by Otieno from Kisumu. That is because he may not have an idea of how tea is handled. As we continue to talk about the face of Kenya, we must also be realistic that we do not live on the moon. We live here in Kenya and the reality of the region and of companies based in specific regions has to be observed. We have to live by it. We also have to look at the percentage of the citizens of Kenya. We have to know how many Kikuyus are in Kenya so that when you say that 20 per cent of employees in that company are Kikuyus, you have to relate that to the number of Kikuyus in this country. When you speak about a percentage of Luos in a company, you have to ask how many Luos are in this country. Hon. Kaparo and his team have to look in that direction. Most importantly, if a company is in a certain region, I will continue to support that members from that region benefit more than the outsiders. It is provided for in the Constitution. Even the county governments are mandated to have 70 per cent of the employees coming from the county, while 30 per cent can come from other places. With those few remarks, I support this Bill. When it will come to the Committee of the whole House, I will propose some amendments."
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