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    "content": "the Speaker of the National Assembly does not want to talk to us, that was totally wrong because you can see him at any time. He negotiates but he has lieutenants who will not allow him to decide by himself. Let us not pass blame to anyone. First, the blame is in this House. We have not conducted ourselves properly. Secondly, the National Assembly is to blame for conducting themselves mischievously. We have a big stake here. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, may be you will be back and the biggest challenge that you will have are the governors. Let us not pride ourselves that things are changing. They may not change at all unless we start from the word go. We should try to recognise others. We went as far as fighting with the Judiciary because we felt that everybody is not supporting the Senate. They asked us why we want to be supported. They said we are already supported by the Constitution. It is clear just like daylight. The Constitution supports this Senate in a big way. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I was very concerned about the seat I was vying for. I was interested in understanding how the Senate would function. I read the article of the Constitution on the role of the Senate. Finally, when we were elected to this House, I did not know there would be other forces that wanted to become “Crown Counsel”. The journey is long. Sen. Murungi has narrated how they started this journey one-and-a-half years ago. The road has been difficult, but up to now, we are not yet there. In fact, I do not see it. It is not within our visibility unless, as I said from the word go, being a public document, the Constitution is not a lawyers’ document. Lawyers’ documents deal with municipal laws, where they are given by interpretation on what the law says. It is not for them to read the Constitution and say; “This is what the Constitution says.”Those who have read the Constitution and who have been in school for some time will tell you that if you want to interpret the Constitution, you must understand the mentality and intention of those who passed a particular article since they had some ideas which must be seen by any person interpreting the law. We have been interpreting what they have been saying and what their intentions were. They may not have written it properly for all of us to understand, however, the intentions are clear. I appeal to my friend across whom I really respect - he is a very good debater and speaks very well. Please, let us forget personal ego and people thinking they have done well. Let us leave this to people like you and myself. If we sit down with Sen. Wetangula, Sen. Murungi, the Speaker and I, this issue will come to an end. However, when we say this and that from this sitting yet we are few, how do you expect that they will listen to us? They will say; “No, they abused another Member. We will not listen to them.” In the case of the Joint Committee, suppose we say we will not have it, which law will protect you? This will just die. That is where we are aiming at. So, Sen. Wetangula, next time, try to get some people who understand politics in those committees that you take people because of loyalty test. I particularly have failed this test; there is no committee that you can see me being recommended to."
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