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    "id": 711019,
    "url": "https://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/711019/?format=api",
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    "type": "speech",
    "speaker_name": "Hon. Ogolla",
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        "legal_name": "Gideon Ochanda Ogolla",
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    "content": "We are settling down in all the arable areas in a manner that is not conducive. This is not going to be very useful. So, when we talk about some of these things like carbon credit, we need to think of localising our actions. This means that we must treat our county governments as small governments. When we talk about tree planting, it is about making this kind of contribution. It needs to be mandatory. Something must happen. Former President Moi is on record for all manner of very bad things but one of the nice things that I want to believe Moi did for this country was setting a date and time for moving the entire country to tree-planting. This is missing completely. Since Moi’s time, nothing has happened. Poverty knows no tree. A person who will be hungry in the evening will cut down a tree that has been there for years in order to burn charcoal, sell and buy food so that he can eat that evening. Poverty knows no tree. Unless we have deliberate ways of how to handle issues that are poverty-related, it is going to be very difficult to handle issues of the environment because our nature is such that man must eat. Human beings must eat. If you have to eat but you do not have a good source of food, the next place will be how to invade the environment."
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