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    "id": 711517,
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    "type": "speech",
    "speaker_name": "Hon. Chepkong’a",
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    "speaker": {
        "id": 1154,
        "legal_name": "Samuel Kiprono Chepkonga",
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    "content": "Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairman, many a times, it is very difficult for, say, the Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP), the Ethics and Anti-Corruption Commission (EACC) or the Directorate of Criminal Investigations (DCI) to have evidence so that it can investigate somebody who is suspected to be involved in corruption. What normally happens is that if you are suspected on reasonable grounds that you are involved in corruption, then you should be investigated and not on the basis of evidence. That is when you collect evidence so that you can prosecute the person. It can only be right to say that if the agency is satisfied on reasonable grounds and believes that you are a suspect or you are involved in corruption--- As you know, corruption is a very difficult thing to fight. As you have seen, many a times, people even hide. They are mentioned here at the Public Accounts Committee (PAC). People even swear affidavits to say: “I took money in sacks,” then a person comes and says: “I do not know this person.” Surely, how do you expect a house help to trade and have companies. That is the reason we should allow EACC on reasonable grounds because that person is a reasonable suspect. You talk about billions of shillings having got lost in National Youth Service and you claim that the buck stops with me and now you are saying the buck does not stop with me, it stops with housemaid. That is even criminal in itself. We should not allow such conduct."
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