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"content": "With regard to reporting cases of torture as indicated in the Bill, a lot of what we call torture happens in areas where people do not have much information. Many times, those who target others for torture hardly do it in centres of information, urban areas or where they can be accessed easily. If you look at that against the arrangement for purposes of reporting, there is a problem and challenge that the Bill needs to look at. Where can you get the KNCHR offices in a village in Busia or Migori? What information would you have for purposes of reporting issues of torture? Many times, torture is executed by instruments of State, particularly the police. The Bill then states that we need to report to the police. I do not think that is something that will be easy to do. Many times, the police protect themselves. Some of these agencies are protective internally such that it is not easy for one to report anything against them and they take it positively. The arrangement that we have in the Bill for purposes of reporting cases of torture needs to be looked at afresh. The Bill says that for purposes of reporting, we target clearly two or three areas, namely, the National Police Service, which again is normally the main executor of torture, and the KNCHR. It also indicates any other relevant institution. When we talk about any other relevant institution and you look at that against the fact that this is a fairly new body in the country, it is going to be new to the society. So, the information is not going to be there. So, what are these other relevant institutions that one might want to report to?"
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