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    "id": 721005,
    "url": "https://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/721005/?format=api",
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    "type": "speech",
    "speaker_name": "Hon. Manje",
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    "speaker": {
        "id": 1669,
        "legal_name": "Joseph Wathigo Manje",
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    "content": "Thank you Hon. Temporary Speaker for giving me this chance to support this Bill on prevention of torture. Any document that tries to mitigate the suffering of a human being should be supported. Kenya is a signatory to the UN Convention against Torture and other cruel, inhuman and degrading treatments. Having said that, we should live to that and this Bill will go far ahead to mitigate the same. These inhuman acts result from lack of understanding the essence of human life and what a human being is. Any time you torture a human being, you reduce his or her dignity. This Bill will mitigate some torture that happen in our cells and prisons. Those who engage in this torture will face the rule of law. When somebody uses torture to extract information, it is laziness. It shows that some of these investigators do not have the right skills of getting information. Torturing to extract information will not solve the problem of crime in our country. The only thing that can solve this problem is an understanding by the people who intend to commit a crime that at the end of the day, they will be held responsible through investigative skills. What our investigation officers do is round up a group of people and put them in, torture them and try to eliminate them through torture methods. Sometimes, people might give information that is not correct. They get it through duress. Such information will not be admissible in a court of law and it can be used against the officer who extracted it. I also think this is a very uncivilised method of administering justice. As we develop, we should device good methods of extracting information. For example, if a crime is committed somewhere, there will always be a fall back somewhere and if we have very good investigators, at the end of the day, they will reach the bottom of the crime. But if you use force because of laziness, then most likely, you might not get the criminal. This Bill will align our country to other developed countries that have already discovered that you can only deal with crime through proper investigations and improving investigative skills. There are certain types of crimes that cannot be eliminated through torture, for example, terrorism. It will not serve any purpose to torture a terrorist because, at the end of the day, they are prepared to die for such kind of a crime. So, the best method is to use proper investigative skills. Torture is the basic method used by officers. It is shows that these officers lack the basic content of investigation. That is why when thugs get somebody, they torture him or her before they kill. That is why many people have been killed by thugs. Thugs normally torture their victims because they do not have time. They are lazy and want to extract information as fast as possible and that is why they do that. Internationally, there are some countries that practise torture. There are different methods of torturing like waterboarding techniques where somebody is put under water and given a feeling that he is drowning so that he can give information. There are other methods of torture The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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