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    "id": 721150,
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    "type": "speech",
    "speaker_name": "Hon. S.S. Ahmed",
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        "legal_name": "Ahmed Shakeel Shabbir Ahmed",
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    "content": "we were in Panama recently, and we need political, executive and judicial will and an independent commission. I want to say categorically that wherever we have been, we have proudly declared that the President of this country has done what no other president has done before. He did this by firing over 12 Cabinet Secretaries (CS) and Principal Secretaries (PS). That has been recognised in the field of anti-corruption. What we now need is the desire to do this work. Hon. Speaker, when somebody is possessed by the devil, you bring an exorcist. The exorcist is not scared of the devil and will do the exorcism. We have failed as Kenyans to take charge of this evil. I am convinced that we have the best chance with the Archbishop being the chairman because he has seen the devil, dealt with him and defeated him. I sat through the appointment period of three out of four of these Chairmen. During the appointment of the immediate former Chair, Mr. Mumo, somebody brought up the issue that he does not have the passion. We need somebody who is passionate. I heard the Philippines President clearly say: “Yes, I will take firm action. If necessary some people will die. Yes, I threw somebody out of a helicopter, and so I am prepared to pay the price.” The Archbishop will not go to that extent. I, however, plead with the President that we have no doubt as to his integrity and that he is passionate about corruption. I have been very close to the President, whenever he speaks about corruption, there are literally tears in his eyes. I know that he has had a problem with his Executive and the problem is also with the secretariat of the Commission. I plead with the President that this is the best chance he has. Let him hold hands with the Archbishop and be part of that church. He should listen to the prayer of the Pope and his request, support this gentleman and let the Executive stay out of the Commission. I would like to tell His Excellency the President there are people around him who are corrupt. Irrespective of who they are, let us deal with them through this Commission. Thank you."
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