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    "content": "do not know the meaning of democracy. The point of order I raised before this House on 20th June, 2006, was that I did not believe that under the principle of separation of powers, there should be two parallel investigations at the same time; one by the Executive through the Kiruki Commission and another by Parliament, each demanding the same witnesses concurrently. In my view, and I believe that even as I stand here, the two investigations should have been sequenced differently. Parliament could have waited for the Executive to conclude and then they take up and analyze that and go beyond it. Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, even in this Report, the end result of this will be a recommendation for investigations and actions, which means Parliament realizes that it cannot investigate crime. It can only do superficial investigations and order for investigations. That is precisely the point I was making. There is the role of Parliament and that of the Executive. I came to Parliament armed with a letter I wrote to the Speaker. That letter was for the purpose of explaining my point of order, because you are limited by time when you rise on a point of order. So, I rose and expressed myself verbally and tabled the letter with the following words: “It is necessary for other Members of Parliament to acquaint themselves with my reasoning and comments on it before the Speaker could make a ruling.” Indeed, the Chair of the Committee on Legal Affairs, hon. Muite, acquainted himself with the letter and made a response. Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, it is utterly malicious of the Committee then and Members of the House who continue to pretend that I did anything wrong by raising a point of order. Dishonesty is manifested in the way this is being articulated. Even in the way it is being pretended that that past is catching up with me; how does the past catch with you if you are the one who has risen publicly in a forum like this, where things are recorded on the HANSARD for posterity and produced and tabled a letter for everybody to see; accompanied by the words “so that Members of Parliament can acquaint themselves and respond?” This is the height of dishonesty, in my view. Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, my saying that the sequencing should have been different was not an attempt to stop the work of the Committee. I was contributing to debate. Even if it was done at the same time, let us see whether this Committee was able to convict anyone. They are able to condemn but not convict, precisely for the reason I was canvassing. They are not investigators of crime. I was just asking: Why do you not wait and audit? Even the audit Committees of the House actually wait and audit but if the Executive had not commenced any investigation, it would have been right for Parliament. I even cited the Anglo Leasing case where after a trip to London and evidence in Kenya, all the Committee could say is that the Government should investigate further. I want to say something which may not be known by many. When I learnt of the violation of our laws by the Artur Brothers at the airport which was communicated to me through telephone by a fellow Cabinet Minister at that time but is now out of Parliament, I immediately called the then Commissioner of Police. I wondered why he had not taken action against those people. As a consequence, arrests were made in the wee hours of the night. I later conferred with the Minister of State for Immigration and Registration of Persons who happens to be serving in this House, Mr. Konchella. I wondered why aliens who were violating our laws should continue being here. Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, based on the fact that we know the circus that goes on in our courts, even if people are charged, it takes a long time and undesirable"
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