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    "speaker_name": "Hon. (Ms.) Odhiambo-Mabona",
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        "legal_name": "Millie Grace Akoth Odhiambo Mabona",
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    "content": "doing right now and we put an appellate process, for which I actually congratulate him, but we have not provided a system of slaying corruption, then we will have a situation where people will go and approach the persons who are looking at this process and go up to appeal and bribe them. That has become the normal system in Kenya. I saw a very interesting joke on Facebook this morning where somebody was saying that we should now name corruption “Joho” and then all the systems and agencies of the country will be put towards slaying corruption. I wish we would fight corruption with the same doggedness that we are fighting Hon. Joho. I congratulate the Member because he has set up an appellate system. For those of us who have worked in the human rights system, it is an adherence to a human rights approach. It is not just enough to be heard, but you also have a system where you go through an appellate process. I congratulate him on that. I would have wished that we have provided for standard setting so that we do not look at standard setting in a retroactive manner. For instance, in the Law Society of Kenya (LSK), it is something that has dogged us for a long time. We have said that for you to become a lawyer, these are the standards we provide nationally. However, we did not provide for standards for people who do law out of the country. So, somebody goes and studies law in India or the United Kingdom (UK), he comes in and then the LSK refuses to admit him or her because they think parents go round picking money all over. I think we must be serious as a country. We should set standards and advertise them everywhere like the case we are talking about whether somebody should do a degree with a Grade D. I can tell you that I sat in the last Parliament. I vetted many people who had Ds who have PhDs and they have been given good positions in this country. I know of Members of Parliament who have Ds who have gotten master’s degrees in the last Parliament and in this Parliament. So, if you want to nullify degrees, so many people are going to be affected but as a country, we cannot operate retroactively. We must set standards and everybody lives by standards. If you say that you must have a straight A for you to do a degree, it must be known and established. When I went to school, it was clear. I did excellently in my O- Level and joined Limuru Girls, but I almost missed law. I just managed because I was playing. I managed to just get law because everybody knew the standards. In my days, you needed to have got a minimum of 14 points. I got 15 points to do law. I remember, when I got those points I was holding on and wishing that I would manage. Even though I just managed 15 points, as a Luo I must say I was still the best student in Limuru Girls and the only one who did law."
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