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    "speaker_name": "Sen. Kagwe",
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    "content": "Mr. Speaker, Sir, I am a Member of the Committee on Finance, Commerce and Budget. I take exactly the same view. I concur with the Chairman. There is a notion in certain quarters in the National Assembly that there is something called a constituency and there is something called a county and the two are not related at all. It is important for us to remind our brothers in the “Lower” House that every single constituency in Kenya is in a county, not one! So, when you see the kind of intransigent behaviour that is being exhibited stubbornly within the chairmanship of the budget Committee of the “Lower” House – this is where the English said, “You cut off your nose to spite your face.” Mr. Speaker, Sir, I must agree because I have been in two mediations between this House and the other one for the same reason. My brother, hon. Mutava Musyimi has been consistently stubborn on this matter and stubbornly opposed to reason whenever this matter is being discussed. The whole problem today as we discuss here is borne out of a condescending attitude that spites this House for whatever reason. I think it is borne out of a certain misguided superiority complex, clearly worked with self-importance. This attitude is causing this problem. You cannot walk into a mediation determined and believing that no matter what anybody else says in mediation you will walk out of that room with exactly what you walked in with. The whole notion of mediating is give and take. Therefore, when we send people into mediation it is important for them to appreciate that they will not come out with everything they want. Hopefully, they will come out with something that is acceptable to all parties. When we went to mediation last year, the Chairman was just as stubborn as today. The person who actually saved the day in that mediation is hon. Tom Kajwang from the other House. I want to thank him because he rose up to agree that there has to be a positional change in the process of mediating. We went into voting; something that should not happen in a mediation like this. We should simply go with an agreement that has come out of just logical reasoning. Mr. Speaker, Sir, when you look at the current Bill, one of the things that I would like to propose in it is the conditional grant that is being given to the counties, especially the health grant. In the previous year the conditional grant given to the health sector was taken to the Ministry of Health. The Ministry misused that money and it never went to the counties. The second year, which is last year, the rule changed and the conditional grant went to the county governments. However, the county governments did not push the money, as it was intended, to the health sector. This time round let the conditional grants be given to the institution implementing whatever grant is given. For instance, in Nyeri County the conditional grant is given to the Level 5 Hospital. County governments can create the circumstance where the money allocated to a Level 5 hospital goes directly into"
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