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    "speaker_name": "Hon. Bunyasi",
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        "legal_name": "John Sakwa Bunyasi",
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    "content": "The Report is very specific in many ways except some. It is very specific in terms of who participated or the administrators in NYS, How carefully it was planned in the Ministry of Devolution and the NYS to change signatories and access to passwords to facilitate the documentation in the famous Integrated Financial Management Information System (IFMIS). People were transferred - like Mr. Harakhe - from as far as Bungoma where he was an Assistant County Commissioner and was brought in. When he appeared before the Committee, it was unable to get his educational qualifications. It even seemed like he had achieved high school education but, clearly, he was a very senior civil servant. We even wondered what his apparent capacity was and how he learnt to use the password. Some people suggested that, maybe, he had difficulty in using passwords. But, this was a camouflage to enable the movement of huge sums of money. If you listened to the CS when she appeared before the Committee, given the enormous eloquence and a lot of English which she spilled, you got the impression that you are dealing with a victim. But when you look at the details, she was not a victim in any way. But she said something which I thought the Report did not capture fully. She said: “The real puppeteers are out there. It is not me.” That meant there were several sides to the story. It may be hydra-headed, but that would not be too complex as somebody has said. I think it is just two-sided. We had the one side in front of us which had been involved in the looting. Sometimes, it takes a thief to catch a thief. A thief will say: “It is not just me, but look at him! He is even a bigger one.”We did not succeed to get there. This story, my pals will never be told fully except those who will write memoirs that will be published only posthumously. We ought to know - and I concur fully with my colleagues who have spoken before - that the institutions which will follow up must get to the bottom of this. This is interesting. It was a good idea intending to hire the youth. For every one NYS personnel trainee who would go to work on public infrastructure or community project, nine local youths would be hired. This sounds very attractive, indeed, but there were several problems like: Who benefitted from those public service schemes if not only those who were inside? There is a phrase which is being used nowadays in all languages: “Ndani, ndaani, ndaaaani kabisa” . It means one being inside Jubilee to benefit from those schemes which had been set up. It was, therefore, given selectively and was implemented in a way that the Kshs471 million which the youth were to get could not be audited. Large sums of it were kept and some of the evidence we heard was that only Kshs250 million was only what they could account for as payment for thousands of youth. It was a scheme to get money for all the people who were involved. The other part was that this was also a scheme to facilitate pseudo-procurement from Government agencies like the Supplies Branch by generating fake documentation that quickly passed through the system and money was released. When money went into the banks, in almost every case, the money was literally taken out in sacks. Kabura appeared before the Committee and she was the chief architect in front of us in terms of the record. She set up over 20 companies in a space of just a few days. Those were just some of the companies that we found out were related to National Youth Service (NYS). She may currently have others in other departments doing the same thing. That money would then be wired and literally carried away. I must be a The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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