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    "speaker_name": "Sen. Kang’ata",
    "speaker_title": "The Temporary Speaker",
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        "legal_name": "Irungu Kang'ata",
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    "content": " Hon Member, if I may go back to my earlier ruling on points of order, I ruled that I shall be relaxed on the application of Standing Order 87(I). Therefore, I will not require Members to state the Standing Orders they will be raising their points of order on, because we are still on the learning curve. If I was to do that, I will limit and whittle down debate. Therefore, allow me to excuse the Senator from that requirement. However, going forward, once we are here long enough, we shall be strict on adherence to House procedures. Be that as it may, Hon. Members, allow me to refer you Stranding Order No. 87 on points of orders. It is long one but I have to read it, because many Members have raised issues. It reads: “(1) Any Senator may raise a point of order at any time during the speech of another Senator stating that the Senator raises a point of order and that Senator shall be required to indicate the Standing Order upon which the point of order is based.” So, yes, I agree that it is provided for but I have relaxed this rule. Standing Order No.87(2) states that: “(2) When a Senator raises a point of order during the speech of another Senator, the Senator who was speaking shall thereupon resume his or her seat and the Senator raising the point of order shall do likewise when he or she has concluded his or her submission, but no other Senator may, except by leave of the Speaker, speak on the point of order. (3) The Speaker shall either give a decision on the point of order forthwith or announce that the decision is deferred for consideration after which the Senator who was speaking at the time the point of order was raised may continue to speak. (4) The Speaker or the Chairperson shall order any Senator who unnecessarily and persistently interrupts proceedings or consults loudly and disruptively to withdraw from the Chamber and Standing Order 110 (Disorderly conduct) shall apply to any such Senator.” What I am saying is that we need to understand these provisions so that we do not raise vexatious or frivolous points of order. I think the point that was raised by my colleague here was somehow valid but be it as it may, I would urge Members not to raise frivolous points of order. I will allow Members to ventilate and canvass their points without a lot of interruptions. Otherwise, if I were to strictly enforce Standing Order No.87(4), I would be compelled to throw out Senators. So, in reply to his issue, I rule you out of order. He was just canvassing his point. There is nowhere in the Standing Orders that prohibits what he was saying. Therefore, I rule that he was right. I will allow you 30 seconds only because we have several Members who want to speak."
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