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    "content": "” and so on. Those are populist things and that is how money ends up being ferried away. If this House, the National Assembly and the leadership of this country can sit and decide that, first, we have to arrest the growth of slums; that no slum is going to expand and no new slum is going to be allowed to mushroom through planning, interventions and support from the people. Secondly, we should set ourselves goals and targets that, in the next ten years, Kibera and Mathare slums will be history. It is not going to be history by the rich going to supplant the poor, taking their lands and turning themselves into billionaires. We are going to change by, for example, doing what they did in Malaysia. For instance, one may be a rudimentary landlord who owns half an acre of land in Kibera with a series of small shacks that give him an average rent of Kshs 3,000 or Kshs 5,000 per door and he may even have 30 doors. The government may come in and say that they are going to build a ten storey dwelling apartment on that half an acre piece of land. In that piece of land, they can put up even three blocks. The government can then inquire how much he was earning from the half acre land; let us say he was earning Kshs 400,000 per month, they can give him sufficient space on those condominiums for him to earn his Kshs 400,000 and live decently and give the rest to others. That is how things change. But what happens is that we approach someone with a half-acre of land since you are in a position of advantage; you play tricks on him and tell him to move out because you want to redevelop that piece of land. The next day, the title deed will be in some"
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