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    "id": 789932,
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    "type": "speech",
    "speaker_name": "Hon. Kajwang’",
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    "speaker": {
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        "legal_name": "Tom Joseph Kajwang'",
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    "content": "Hon. Chairman, I had my right. In fact, right of reply, if I remember from my days when I served in the Panel, should be heard without interruption, but he interrupted me. I do not see words called “civil engineering” here unless my friend is putting them. I spent a whole day with this Committee and that needs to be acknowledged. The Chair will tell you, and that is why he has not made a speech, that we had agreed on these amendments. Anyway, now this is before the plenary and we have to dispose of it, it is for you. We need to decide what is core. If we decide that everybody else sits on it, so be it! If you decide that every diploma student sits on it, so be it! You do not pass clauses 14, 17 and 20, taking away organisations such as the Law Society of Kenya (LSK), the Kenya Institute of Planners (KIP) and the Institution of Surveyors of Kenya (ISK), and when it comes to the criteria of choosing those people, then you decide that it is open for Kenyans. What it means is that you have done nothing to those clauses that you have changed. Period! Anyway, it is your say, vote on it!"
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