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    "content": "sending money on conditional grants to counties but I am not quite sure that in terms of the reporting by the Auditor General, we are doing service to the counties by finding out how this money is being utilised. Money on agriculture, one of the grants that have been left out, is a county function. The physical planning and urban support is part of functions of county governments. This money is not going directly to counties. It is going through ministries. Consequently, we are increasing the amounts. In another three years, we will be talking about Kshs100 million, billions or more yet all these Committees sitting here do not audit how this money is being utilised, where it is going and for what purposes. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, had it not been for the previous Committee on Finance, which put its foot down on the Kenya Devolution Support Programme (KDSP), when it was brought to our attention, we were only supposed to support and say, governors have approved. In fact, we were to send him away because the language they brought to our Committee is that governors have signed and agreed, please endorse. We told them, forget it! Go back! Give us the documents. Had we not insisted on the Kenya Urban Support Programme (KUSP), we would not be having the documents in our possession. In the county of Tharaka Nithi and Isiolo, for example, what exactly will happen in your headquarters in terms of KUSP? Is that not our mandate? The medical scheme and we raised this concern, and I must say it, this Senate approved a grant for medical equipment under very cantankerous conditions, where we disagreed. Governors disagreed. It was Kshs4.5 billion for seven years. Something has happened this year. We must continue asking questions. They have increased the allocation for last year with that one amendment which is Kshs6.4 billion and then increased the one for this year from Kshs4.5 to Kshs9.4 billion. What they are saying is the agenda of Government and Jubilee to fulfil the Big Four agenda. I have no problem with that but about the question which Sen. Wetangula asked on this Floor. When we got the details it was about gloves and things that ideally, should not have been a grant. So, we must continue asking these questions. Our Committee on Health must help us, because we in the Committee of Finance and Budget ask about the financing and what the details are, but we have a Committee here that can ask the detailed questions so that we can help counties. We are not asking those questions and sooner rather than later, the national Government will be running our counties. What you are seeing in Nairobi in terms of the metropolitan authority, is just an example of a way you circumvent the county and start running the city without necessarily involving or informing the county government. The same will happen to our counties in terms of this. There is a very nice grant. It affects 11 counties that have water towers, a lot in the Rift Valley, part of Nyanza et cetera at Kshs80 million. This is a function we gave to counties on management of forests but you will not know what is happening unless we find a method. I have proposed, Madam Speaker, and I would like the Chair of CPAIC to help me on this, that the reports that come to CPAIC on the expenditure or ---"
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