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"content": " Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, hon. Baiya asked the question regarding carbon trading and what arrangements the Government had made in order to do a trade off to get the carbon credit for the work that is being done in the Mau. I would like to invite the hon. Member to understand that carbon trading is a very complicated matter. It is not as simple as the hon. Member might think. Until presently, it was not possible to claim carbon credits when you were trying to afforestate an area which was not a forest before 1997. The area we are dealing with had been degazetted before 1997 but now things have changed and the Ministry of Environment and Mineral Resources has worked out a very elaborate programme of negotiating with those who are concerned with carbon trading. It is not an issue that has been concluded, as the hon. Member might think but it is something that is currently ongoing. Hon. Lessonet asked about the notice which has been issued barring grazing in the forest. The Minister for Forestry and Wildlife has informed me that this measure is temporary and that they are going to review it in the next three months and issue other instructions. Hon. Musa Sirma wants to know about the fate of those who were evicted from Tinet, Koibanet, and Nandi areas. If you open up a Pandoraâs box, there will be no end because the people of Mt. Elgon also are there. There are those who were evicted from Mt. Kenya and so on and so forth. I did not come here to deal with those other cases. I came to deal specifically with the people who have been evicted from the Mau Forest. That is the purpose of my Statement today. If the hon. Member wants those issues to be addressed, he can always raise them with the Government. The hon. Member for Gichugu drew my attention to Section 40 of the Constitution which talks of compulsory acquisition for purposes of settlement of people like the ones we are talking about. Section 40 (2) says that, âParliament shall not enact a law to arbitrarily deprive a person of property of any description or of any interest in, or right over, any property of any description.â Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, Section 40(3) says: âThe State shall not deprive a person of property of any description, or of any interest in, or right over property of any descriptionâŚâ This would mean that Parliament would require to make a law in order to be able to operationalise this provision of the Constitution. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, Mr. Wambugu asked about Mt. Kenya and the boundaries and was wondering when the boundaries are going to be re-demarcated and the same done for other forests. We have now gazetted a Kenya Forest Authority which has been charged with the mandate of looking after all the catchment areas in the country. That is the authority that is going to have the powers to deal with the issue which has been raised by hon. Wambugu. Dr. Nuh basically was just wondering, if the IDPs have not been settled, where is the confidence that the evicteees are going to be settled? We can climb the stairs and chew the gum at the same time. We are dealing simultaneously with the issue of re- settlement of IDPs as we also deal with genuine cases. I want to emphasize that we are dealing with genuine cases of the people who were asked to leave the forest. Hon. Lankas has talked about empowering the council to evict the people who are illegally living in the forest and causing destruction and so on. What I referred to was actually Phase III, which is the Maasai Mara. We are talking here about over 7,000 families. What has been happening is that the Government has been profiling these people. This is a fairly complex area, because we are talking about group ranches which were made to grow into forests. We are trying to first of all identify and demarcate the actual boundaries in order to know who is in the forest and who is outside the forest. That has been a very involving exercise, but it has now been completed. Secondly, we are now doing the profiling of the people to know exactly who is here, who has got a title, is the title genuine or not. It is not just easy to apply the law of the jungle and say âoutâ to these people. We are trying to do this in a very organized fashion, so that nobody will come and complain that the Government acted ultra vires the Constitution."
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