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    "id": 816225,
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    "speaker_name": "Kisumu East, Independent",
    "speaker_title": "Hon. Shakeel Shabbir",
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        "legal_name": "Ahmed Shakeel Shabbir Ahmed",
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    "content": "I boycotted the initial vetting but I did not boycott the final sitting where we discussed whether we will agree or not. We felt that a situation like this requires a person who is cleaner. We also felt that the Executive let us down. The Director of Criminal Investigations (DCI) was asked, through a letter, where Ben Chumo’s name and ID number was given to give us their recommendation but they refused and did not send the recommendation. Instead they sent a letter asking for the ID number. We knew that the DCI which was charging him was not coming back to us to tell us it was charging him. That is one. Another issue is that the same gentleman is beyond 62 years old. When we talk about issues like these, we have to look at what is in the papers and the minds of the people. We stand here for the integrity and ethics of this House, and as such I am today standing proud that the Departmental Committee on Finance and Planning insisted and agreed that ethics and integrity is required. I know that the law requires certain things but this morning I got a very interesting example from you, Hon. Speaker, where you said if a judge is sitting and he is watching and somebody from his court shoots another person in front of his eyes, the judge cannot just immediately condemn him although the people in the court might say that they have seen him shot and he was killed by this bullet. There has to be a process. However, when you are looking at a situation like this, sometimes we cannot make the judgement whether the person is guilty or not but at this moment in time, we take the gun away from him and put him under some sort of custody until we know what he is doing. This is what has happened. Mr. Ben Chumo should clear his name and when he comes back, we will give him the required support. There is another case where the Executive has let down the President. There is nomination of a person as an ambassador to strictly Islamic country called Saudi Arabia and yet that person is not of Muslim descent. That person does not also know Arabic."
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