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    "id": 819389,
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    "type": "speech",
    "speaker_name": "Kiharu, JP",
    "speaker_title": "Hon. Ndindi Nyoro",
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        "legal_name": "Samson Ndindi Nyoro",
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    "content": "Kiharu. If I give directives to the NG-CDF, they are likely to follow my directives to the letter even when I declare interest. Therefore, we need to have a very clear line even as we debate this matter of conflict of interest and also of declaring interest and in this case Mr. Kinyua blatantly went overboard. Also, I have to say that in environment – because we are talking about our forests even in the amendment – we depend entirely on our forests basically on everything. This is because the better part of our environment and which actually helps and trickles down to other existences relies on the forests. As we talk, most of our power comes from hydro. Of course, hydro relies mostly on water and there can never be sufficient water to generate hydro power if we continue destroying our forest cover. I am very perturbed because one of the hot potatoes or issues we have as a country is that of corruption. Just recently, we had the Mau debate, where we have people, especially poor people, being evicted from that forest. In fact, it is not recent because it is a current matter. The question so many Kenyans are asking is where the people will go? This is because some of them actually have titles. Also beyond the poor people we have bourgeoisie who have large parcels of land in Mau Forest and other forests in the country and also they have titles. The question we are asking as the Kenyan people and I am asking on their behalf is: Where did these titles come from? This is because even if we talk about eviction, we have to be mindful of the people who have documents that seem to be original and authentic issued by the same Government. Actually, alongside that, their children go to a public school in the same forest. The whole trail of corruption that is happening around our forests has to come to an end. Even on our jurisdiction in terms of NG-CDF, I am aware we have around 2 per cent that is supposed to go to conserving our environment. It is my proposal – and I am sure we will be debating the same in this House – that even beyond the statutory of 2 per cent that is allocated in the NG-CDF, probably we need to set some small percentage aside so that every project carries, in itself, some small percentage for environment so that if, for example, we are doing some infrastructural developments in a school, some small proportion of that money should go into conserving the environment even within the same institutions. Last week, the Speaker of this House said some things in regard to our conduct as Members of Parliament. Therefore, even as we debate this matter of amendments, we have to be serious. We have to be seen as Members of Parliament for the people who elected us and not for the rich who are holding Government offices like Mr. Kinyua. I oppose this amendment. I also support the entirety of the Report as prepared by the Committee."
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