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    "id": 825646,
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    "type": "speech",
    "speaker_name": "Kisumu East, Independent",
    "speaker_title": "Hon. Shakeel Shabbir",
    "speaker": {
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        "legal_name": "Ahmed Shakeel Shabbir Ahmed",
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    "content": "I am the Chair of the African Parliamentarians Network Against Corruption (APNAC) and we hear this so many times wherever we go. I heard it in Panama, where somebody showed us how some policemen had taken people in Eastleigh and put them in places. That was one or two policemen. There is corruption of survival versus grand corruption. The latter is the one we need to deal with. Corruption of survival is there and can be easily sorted out. Improve the conditions of the police and give each one a house as that is what they do all over the world. Get them a decent house. Get them a decent salary and everything that they can use to manage their decency so that they do not have to steal. I put it on record that if my children have not been fed for three days, I will steal and corrupt. I will go and rob. And if it goes to the end of the mind we will even murder. We are human beings. We have a stomach and so do the police officers. So, I urge the oversight authority to realise what it is meant to do and do it in a manner that does not destroy or in any way affect the police service in its structure. It is one of the best police services in Africa. It really is. You should go and see the others on the continent to understand that fact. Yes, there are problems but I have not heard of an oversight authority of the Defence Forces of Kenya. Why do I not hear of that? This is because they are self-regulating. They have a good system. I have never heard anybody telling me that our armed forces are corrupt. We give them respect and likewise they give us respect. They respect their position and that is what we want IPOA to do. If members of IPOA have not read the terms of their engagement, they need to read and understand them. This time do not play politics. Do not be a commissioner when you are not meant to be and do not travel on first class all over the country and the world and pretend that you do not know the problems that the police officers are going through. Thank you, Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker."
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