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    "speaker_name": "Bondo, ODM",
    "speaker_title": "Hon. Gideon Ochanda",
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    "content": "to for purposes of generating revenue. That is exactly why we have a big problem with the deficit. I have no problem with issues of off-shore borrowing. Many times, they are cheaper and long-term. When we borrow locally, there is a very big problem. The other issue is borrowing for purposes of infrastructure in terms of schemes of building, operating and handing over. Some of them have changed from that policy to loans. I have not seen some of the infrastructural programmes or activities that were listed. Somebody is given work; they do it, operate the piece of infrastructure and generate their money. For example, on Thika Road, it is KeNHA doing the work. In the end, it is us who pay the money that they should have received from operating the work that they had done. There is a big problem there. With regard to the issue that was raised by Jimmy Angwenyi, the Chair might have brought this out last week. Roads are taken care of in a certain way. With regard to the monies that were initially in the Budget and were removed, we were promised that the value of 22 per cent would be enhanced this time round. The idea that some of the roads lost money does not exist. Maybe, Hon. Chair, when you reply, you might want to state that properly. When the National Treasury comes up with proposals, it is important that they subject themselves to the kind of legal requirements that are supposed to be in place. What saved the Kshs3 billion that was re-allocated to the NG-CDF, as some of the Members may not know, is that the value that was being proposed was lower than the 2.5 per cent. When we did some quick maths with the National Treasury, we realised that we are losing the Kshs3 billion. That is exactly how Kshs3 billion was re-instituted back into the NG-CDF. Currently, we have the legal basis that the NG-CDF must get the 2.5 per cent allocation. That is how Kshs3 billion was reinstated. In the process of trying to balance things, we cannot say that we lost Kshs3 billion. The whole idea is that Kshs3 billion was now available for other things that were needier and more demanding than where it was initially placed. Lastly, there is the whole issue of how we allocate funds to the Big Four Agenda. There is a big problem. I tried to take it back to the Departmental Committees. Moving forward, our Departmental Committee needs to do much more than what we are seeing this time round. Real issues that are agendas of concern to the country end up with no money or with very little money and yet, they are the main centre of focus that is supposed to be regenerating our economy. I support the Bill."
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