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    "speaker_name": "Sen. Halake",
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    "content": "agencies have different structures, goals and agendas. Therefore, how do they then work together? That continues to pose a problem. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I know in part that perhaps the most important thing is information sharing. What are some of the ways in which these multi-agencies can share information? How can schools, the Police and religious institutions share information? We need to look at some of these determinants and drivers of terrorism and radicalization for us to create awareness. I do not think that I have ever heard of, or talked to my children about these things at home or anywhere else. However, the more we interact with these Bills and think about prevention, the more I am wondering whether these are things that need to be talked about in the public domain; and for parents, teachers and educators to be trained on what the signs are and what the process to deal with this is, because there is a process to it. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I have had occasion to participate in some dialogue with youth as part of CVE and its prevention. One thread that has come through – at least for me when I dealt with this in a different space – is that victimization and humiliation makes people want to act or do something about it. This narrative around victimization and humiliation is different for different people. One university student once told me, “I was just studying for my exams, but because I was up late and I am of a certain profile, they thought I am a terrorist.” Others have different experiences. Therefore, once again, the narrative around humiliation and victimization that makes some people go to extreme thoughts and actions is different for everybody. However, considering how we, as parents, can identify them and what we can do about these kinds of things, would be a good thing. However, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, the problem is the vicious cycle, especially with regards to our policemen; who also need some training in terms of what the signs and drivers of terrorism are. The vicious cycle created, for instance, is the one in which the brutality or the extrajudicial killings create the cycle of humiliation and victimization, which then goes round and round. I know that Sen. Faki has very ably, and in very good Swahili, explained how killings have happened in the past under the guise of countering terrorism. However, these kinds of things only fuel the vicious cycle of humiliation and the feelings of victimization that then feeds into extreme thoughts and radicalization. We, therefore, need to look at all these things with regards to training, not just our policemen, but also ourselves, as parents and our educators. The other thing I have seen happening in different parts of the world is community policing. Of course, our definition of community policing is perhaps the"
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