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    "content": "make a ruling. The quarrel we had here was: “Can we proceed with this impeachment irrespective of the court order? Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the then Speaker, Hon. Ekwe Ethuro, in his wisdom ruled that we must obey the court order however painful we thought it was at the time. It turned out that we were right. I am glad now that after speaking to the Judiciary and in this law, we have said that there is a process that will allow any person who is aggrieved by the impeachment process to go to the tail-end and attack the entirety of the proceedings, as opposed to what was perceived at the time to be an attempt to gag Parliament from conducting its proceedings. That is why there was a constitutional amendment by hon. Kaluma which failed, saying that we cannot be injuncted by the courts. We refused because Parliament must also agree that it is subject to the law. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the Chairman, Sen. Cherargei, mentioned the governors. I do not think that the intention of this law, as it is, is to make it easier to impeach a governor. We have said it very clearly - the Senate spoke very clearly in the impeachment of Gov. Chepkwony - that you cannot impeach for the sake of it. Since you are a professor of law, a question must be addressed either now or later. What constitutes gross violation? What measures do we use to say that this is a violation of the Constitution that is not gross? What was the intention of the drafters of this Constitution – Sen. Wako is here – in Article 182, to say that there must be gross violation? That debate is still out there. This law does not attempt to interrogate in detail what gross violation of the Constitution is. We had the case of Governor Prof. Chepkwony and we quoted impeachment of President Bill Clinton in the case of Monica Lewinsky. In fact, the word is not “quasi-judicial” but the Chairman has used “legal-political”. That means that it is both a political and legal process. How you find the balance is another thing. According to Sen. Cherargei – I do not know whether he wants to be a fortune teller – he says that the possibility of impeachment of a president and deputy president will not arise soon. I do not know how he could figure that out in his fortune-telling. I wish he was doing fortune-telling---"
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