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    "content": "someone in a social place just because he can command the respect of the House. This is very important because everybody is presumed innocent until proven guilty. Everybody who has allegations against them must be subject to due process. As we say, I do not like what you say but I will die defending your right to say it, because of the rights of people as enshrined in the Constitution and the right to due process. There is nobody who is presumed guilty until they prove themselves innocent. Everybody is presumed innocent until proven guilty. Madam Temporary Speaker, I support this Bill. I congratulate the Committee on Justice, Legal Affairs and Human Rights under the chairmanship of Sen. Samson Cherargei for designing and bringing a Bill that gives effect to impeachment clauses and Chapters of the Constitution so that it becomes clear, easy and determinate. I heard one Senator say that we need to subject this process to public participation. It might just end up being a lynch mob. I do not think it is necessary. If you are representatives of the people, then you represent those people out there. You cannot take a President to Uhuru Park and ask a mob to declare his innocence or guilt. That is not the way to go in any civilized society. The House of Parliament is respected as a parley, as a representative of the people who elected representatives to this House, and when they act, they do so, on behalf of those people. So, I discourage any notion that public participation should be there. We should also not overstretch public participation. I have been sitting in committees and what we have been calling public participation, particularly, in the Committee on Finance and Budget, year in year out, there are only four people who appear before us; the same people every year on everything. They say, I represent an NGO, pressure group, street and so on. Sometimes, it just becomes a playground for busy bodies. It becomes very difficult to make things work. Let us give Houses of Parliament, assemblies at the county level, the National Assembly - with proper hierarchy – whoever was in doubt as to the hierarchy of Houses must read this Bill, look at the Constitution and see that the National Assembly indicts, this House tries. This House tries and convicts, and has the final word on the impeachment of the President and the Deputy President. That is the pecking order. It is not a matter for public debate any more. Madam Temporary Speaker, I thank you. I beg to support."
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