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    "content": "approach to these matters because many of them are a matter of life and death to our people. So, we want the CPAIC, and I know Sen. M. Kajwang’ is very creative; I have seen his creativity expressed in many different settings. I urge him to engage us in a thinking session as a House. How else do we do it? You know when you try to do the same thing the same way and expect a different results, that is close to being insane. If the last committee - I know they had court challenges, problems and the governors went to court, but beyond that, let us know how to make the people of Nyamira know Senator Omogeni can respond to issues that the county is unable to do. I want to thank the Committee on Health - I can see Sen. Naomi, Sen. Mbito was here - the Committee on Security, Defence and Foreign Relations and the Chairperson of the Committee on Devolution and Intergovernmental Relations because they swiftly accompanied me to Pumwani Maternity Hospital to address that issue. We can then be a dynamic House so that we are not called what some people used to call this House before - Nyumba ya Wazee. It was not called Nyumba ya Wazee because of wisdom, but because it was thought to be slow, almost lethargic and to have a lot of inertia. Look at the people we have today; Sen. Ledama, Sen. Kihika, Sen. Pareno and Sen., M. Kajwang’. These are energetic people who should not be slowed down in their roles because of red-tape and too much bureaucracy within this House. Madam Temporary Speaker, with those many remarks, I support this Report. I have seen the many challenges they had. We are putting the cart before the horse when it comes to dealing with devolution. The Transition Authority (TA) failed in their role to actually cost these functions. Coming up with the Division of Revenue Bill and the County Allocation of Revenue Bill is mainly due to guesswork such as: “Ksh 300 billion is good for the counties.” If I ask the Senator for Narok County how much it costs to run healthcare in Narok, he cannot tell me. I cannot tell you the cost unless we have fully done a proper costing. What we have seen is not costing. Once we know that this is what it takes to run devolution in Kisumu County and how much the county is collecting – Of course many of our counties are collecting less revenue than they were before. When we know what they are collecting, we will know the gap that the intergovernmental transfer, which is set at a minimum of 15 percent, is supposed to fill. Lastly, this is how much discretion we can give or how we can agree for the national Government to guarantee a county to get into borrowing. I am sure if you look at these reports you will see many counties have overdrafts. Many counties illegally went into arrangements with banks. The Constitution is clear. Before any governor or any county borrows money - an overdraft is a type of borrowing - the county must be guaranteed by the national Government. Madam Temporary Speaker, in my County in the days of Kidero, and I hope it has changed, if you got a cheque where the County was paying you, it meant nothing. I know many people in business who were paid, but when they would go to the bank, unless two individuals called, they were never paid. They used to do that because if you are owed Kshs10 million, for example, they would tell you: “First ten percent is ours or Kshs2 million.” So they first give you the cheque for the Kshs2 million. If you do not The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate."
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