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    "speaker_name": "Suba South, ODM",
    "speaker_title": "Hon. John Mbadi",
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        "legal_name": "John Mbadi Ng'ong'o",
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    "content": " Hon. Speaker, first of all, let me agree with Hon. Oundo that matters of constitutionality and following law can be raised at any time because, as a House, we need to be sure that when we make a resolution, it is a resolution that is informed by the law. That is why, sometimes, we want to beseech committees. The reason why we delegate some of these responsibilities to committees is because they have more time to actually address themselves to these fundamental issues. One of the qualifications for appointment states that the nominee should have knowledge and, at least, 10 years’ experience in matters relating to public management, finance, human resource, economics or labour laws. Going forward as a House, we may need to be very clear when we legislate on what constitutes “knowledge and at least 10 years’ experience”. What constitutes experience? Is it post-qualification experience or experience at a lower level? When I was a student of accounting at the University of Nairobi, we used to be employed by Deloitte and Touché and PricewaterhouseCoopers (PwC) and worked during recess. Does that constitute experience or do you have to wait until you qualify? That takes me to the next question. There are Kenyans who nowadays go to school at a very advanced age. This is probably after you left school at Form IV or high school and then later on after working for some time, you go back to school and get your degree. Will your experience be calculated from the day you get your degree qualification or not? This lady could have demonstrated that when she was still a student, she got attachments somewhere and worked for some time. That is why I said that the Committee should have done much better by clearly telling us whether this lady met the prescribed qualifications in the Act. It is a very grey area. I do not know how we will address it. In my view, qualification does not mean that you have to wait until you get your degree to gain experience. You can gain experience. Some people get involved in charitable organizations. My daughter has a lot of engagement on matters of marketing and youth issues. She went to Ghana just last year. She just finished her degree a few weeks ago. In my view, all that experience should be calculated cumulatively. We do not have to wait for her to be given that degree certificate to start gaining experience."
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