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    "speaker_name": "Sen. Cheruiyot",
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        "legal_name": "Aaron Kipkirui Cheruiyot",
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    "content": "make have to be domesticated at their county assembly. Therefore, it will be good for knowledge transfer and skill acquisition for us to include representatives of county governments in this tribunal. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, finally, the proposed fine for members of the tribunal who commit the offence of revealing--- the typical Kenyan habit where people coalesce around a bar in the evening and leak out information that the Government is about to buy land in a particular place; the fine for this is Kshs5 million or an imprisonment of three years or both. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, many times when we make laws, we put the fine together with the jail term. May be, those who are more established in this matters can advise us whether it is a must for us to always put the cash bail when it comes to offences like this. This is because we have realized in the past that one of the things that the corrupt and crooked of the society fear is the incarceration bit. As it is, anybody can pay. When some of these corrupt people leak this information, they will be paid hundreds of millions. Therefore, if you fine them Kshs5 million, it is just a slap on the wrist. Therefore, I propose that if it is possible, let it be a direct jail term. The minute a person is convicted, they proceed to serve their jail term. There is no need for us to put this fine of Kshs5 million. If it was put as a provision, will the heir of SUMSUNG serve a jail term in South Korea for the corruption charges that she is facing? If money was an option, she could have easily bought her way out. Therefore, we need to think about this. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I support this Bill because it seeks to consolidate land which should belong to the people of Kenya. I do not how true this is but somebody revealed to me the other day that for the title to a piece of land that a person owns, he or she only owns up to as far as six inches deep. Anything else beyond that belongs to the people of Kenya. Therefore, as we pass some of the laws, it is important for us to realize that, in future, now that we are doing the geospatial survey of what is owned within our country and the deposits that are rumoured to be running to trillions of shillings, when the Government wants to finally set up either a mineral processing industry, those who either fraudulently or correctly obtained the licences of these particular deposits will know that they can only access up to six inches, anything beyond that belongs to the people of Kenya."
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