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    "id": 855045,
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    "type": "speech",
    "speaker_name": "Sen. Mwaura",
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        "legal_name": "Isaac Maigua Mwaura",
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    "content": "We can see the serious challenges of cash flow that we face when transacting Kshs1 million. There is a pastor at CBK – Dr. Njoroge – and I congratulate him for being a good pastor. Because of this, people are not able to invest fraudulent money using the financial system. They are hiding their money in the pillows and under their mattresses, leading to a problem of circulation. How do we tap into it? It is not just a question of provisions of the law. Once again, we need to move further and ask ourselves these questions philosophically. Where are we? Can we develop using corruption money? Are there economies that have developed by using corruption money? How can we curtail other people from being corrupt in the fight against corruption? It is, therefore, a wider debate. The reason we are here is because we have exhausted our borrowing capacity, yet projects need to be done. Everybody who is here as Senators do not have any kitty; and people do not see us as development agents or interlocutors. However, primarily, when we are demanding for equitable share of counties, what we are asking for is projects. There has been a very great increase in terms of the money that we are sending down as conditional grants, especially from donors."
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