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    "id": 863837,
    "url": "https://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/863837/?format=api",
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    "type": "speech",
    "speaker_name": "Kiharu, JP",
    "speaker_title": "Hon. Ndindi Nyoro",
    "speaker": {
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        "legal_name": "Samson Ndindi Nyoro",
        "slug": "samson-ndindi-nyoro"
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    "content": "There is the animal called the IFMIS. For any query you put forth to public officials, the only place they hide is IFMIS. We have also recommended that IFMIS is not a simplicity that should be brought about by ICT. The ICT should simplify matters. If you try to check the loopholes that are in IFMIS, it provides very good avenues for people to hide when we query them. You have multiplicity of people who log into IFMIS and it becomes very hard for anyone to trace who authorises, who logs in and who manipulates the system for their won end. As I come to the end, we have seen in many countries including China, Government officials being hanged. In some of these countries, engaging in the kind of graft that happens in this country, being taken to Kamiti is a privilege. In countries like South Korea, we have past four presidents currently in jail because of engaging in some thresholds of graft. You are shot and your family pays for the bullet. We need such kind of punitive measures in this country because people steal with disdain. You can steal public money and you just know that you are going to set aside a proportion of it to corrupt the system not even to hire the right lawyers, but to buy the judge. We need to have more punitive measures when it comes to graft because there is no difference between a guy who anapiga ng’eta watu hapa Nairobi stealing Kshs200 and the public official who steals billions of shillings that can go a long way into supporting our healthcare. With those many remarks, I support our Committee Report."
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