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    "id": 874359,
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    "type": "speech",
    "speaker_name": "Sen. Orengo",
    "speaker_title": "The Senate Minority Leader",
    "speaker": {
        "id": 129,
        "legal_name": "Aggrey James Orengo",
        "slug": "james-orengo"
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    "content": "Even the very tragic problem we had when terrorists attacked us at Riverside Drive, of just moving equipment we needed; fire equipment, men and women and ambulances. There were about 100 taxis which had to be brought there because they are limited in terms of capacity; yet we had a Probox here which could carry 10,000 kilogrammes of maize. In terms of tonnage that is 1,000 tonnes. I have never seen even a lorry on our roads that can move about 5 tonnes of haulage at any one time. There is also an important question which is there right from the beginning. The maize crisis that led to the flooding of duty free maize imported to the country was a ploy by both the public and private sector players who wanted to profiteer from distortion of the maize value chain. The Committee gets it right that it was a ploy; however, the reaction from the Executive is that this was a mistake by the Gazette Notices. It was now possible to bring this amount of maize into the country in the circumstance and the way it was brought without questioning the idea that went beyond these Gazette Notices. Those who issued the Gazette Notices must take responsibility. Madam Temporary Speaker, if you look at the Report and its recommendations, I want to convince Sen. M. Kajwang’ that these amendments are in line with the amendments that are proposed in a matrix which is towards the end of the Report. It says that the CS, National Treasury and the CS, Ministry of Agriculture and Irrigation must take responsibility for these Gazette Notices which led to the flooding of maize, leading to distortion of the local market. There is a direct accusation against these two CSs. If you read the Report generally, the Ministry or the Inter-Ministerial Committee also stand accused. The amendments, as far as I am concerned, are in line with this Report. As I support this amendment, I want to say systems that operate effectively and fight corruption do not fight corruption by having effective prosecutions. In Japan, when you are being prosecuted, you are going to jail because those systems work effectively. But the more important thing they do is they make their systems work. They make it impossible for somebody to do the kind of thing that happened during this maize scandal. It cannot happen! It is impossible to do it, even if you are dealing with more people. If you do it, most probably in China, you will get shot. The emphasis should be and that is why the CS and other people should stand accused. The most important thing is to ensure that there is no leakage and fraud. That is the best way of fighting corruption. Fighting corruption is not by dragging people to courts. There have been places where people are just shot, hoping you can achieve the consequences. If you go to the Philippines, the law is very effective; they catch you. If it is a drug problem, lo and behold if you get caught – even for children – the way they treat you is not a joke. We should change the narrative to make sure that these systems work. How does a CS issue this kind of Gazette Notice? I can tell you that the person who crafted this Gazette Notice probably knew what he was doing and its consequences. This is because when it came to importation of milk ingredients, they were very meticulous on that one; they did it properly. There was no way you could short change the system. However, on this one, they knew that crafting it in a broad way like it was gave opportunities. When that opportunity resulted in a lot of money being made, then they The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate."
}