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"content": "In South Korea, for example, they had experiences in all the sectors – industrial, agricultural, et cetera – but when they decided to deal with the problem of corruption, they did not go for petty crimes. I urge this Senate and the Jubilee Government that in the current campaign that we are seeing, they are dealing with grand corruption. However, they are dealing with petty crime. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, a time has come when we have to change strategy if we want to deal with this animal called grand corruption. If you look at how the whole saga in the maize sector came about, having a Report in which we are told that a Toyota Probox vehicle carried 10,000 kilogrammes of maize. It is stranger than fiction. We have reached a situation in this country where a spade must be called a spade. I have no fear of contradiction in saying that the Jubilee administration now, in matters to deal with corruption, should graduate from dealing with petty crime to dealing with grand corruption. That is why I support the amendment to this Motion. It is in order to make sure that anybody who was involved in the decision making, particularly in crafting that dubious Gazette Notice, is brought under scrutiny. Gazette notices do not come about. Sen. Wetangula and I, have been in the Cabinet and know that when you want to publish a gazette notice. It does not end with your Ministry. It has to go to the Attorney-General and all the sectors involved must have an input, with the documents coming up and down for consideration. It is not just a matter of putting a pen on the paper. All the people concerned must have an input. If you look at these gazette notices, they were not just a matter that came about or a typographical error. It was deliberate to make sure that this kind of maize was brought in from as far away as Brazil. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I want to use the Floor of this House today, although some people may not be very happy with what I wish to say. That is why I started by saying that there is nobody in this country who is above the law. Article 143 of the Constitution makes that very clear. Even the President, when it comes to international crimes, is not above the law. If you read this Report and the one on the dam scandal carefully and what is coming out so far, and even look at other scandals that relate to embezzlement of public resources, the road just leads to one headquarters. The road leads to one place. The Senate should rise up to the occasion and encourage the President in what he is doing; that he should follow through where the evidence is leading. The evidence is pointing out that there is a particular office in this land and a particular individual who, in all circumstances, is encouraging corruption to take place in this country with impunity. I say without fear or favour that what happened in South Africa, forcing President Zuma to leave office, was corruption. The most popular President in the history of Brazil, Lula, is in jail. While he was in jail, they added another 10 years and is now in for 25 years. The President of South Korea came here with a lot of fanfare. Now she is in jail for 20 years. She still will has more 10 years in jail. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, you cannot fight corruption by arresting policemen who are taking little money along the road; you must go for the big fish. Mr. Haji said that he would go for the whales and sharks. I want everybody to look me in the eye and I look at them in the eye - like the hon. Senator from Mandera is looking at me – and say that if it The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate."
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