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    "id": 878063,
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    "speaker_name": "Sen. (Prof.) Kamar",
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        "legal_name": "Margaret Jepkoech Kamar",
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    "content": "that is not true, is when we will have lost food security in this country, just because of wrong policies and decisions. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I agree that a lot has to do with the polices that we have and decisions that are made carelessly, including the ones that were done even outside the gazette notices, and fertilizer was brought in, as was pointed out. I thank Members for supporting the amendment that was given by Sen. Were, which was a great improvement from what I had proposed; that highlighted the real issues going on in the sector. Food security is in the Big Four Agenda. We will discuss the Big Four Agenda when we go to Kirinyaga for the Devolution Conference next week. We need to start asking ourselves real questions. If we are talking of food security, where are the areas that we must touch? I also agree that agriculture has been devolved and it is a function that belongs to this House. It is upon us to discuss with governors. I was shocked the other day when I heard governors say that they are not being involved. What are they not involved in? It is already a given duty, and their duties have been outlined in the Fourth Schedule of the Constitution. Therefore, they should not be talking about being involved in health or agriculture. They were arguing about not being involved in health? I asked: Who should be involving who? Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, they should be telling this House that they have not received the same resources that they used to receive in 2012 before devolution, and then we fight a different war. However, they talk of not being involved. Who should involve the Council of Governors (CoG)? They should move out and implement according to what the Constitution has given them. They have their roles cut out, and I hope this House will straighten some of the things when we are in Kirinyaga County for the CoG meeting next week. It is time that we talked candidly. This House has come out with an olive branch to our governors, and we have told them that we are not going to discuss issues of impeachment until we are clear about roles. We want them to take the opportunity that this Senate has given them and their jobs very seriously. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I want to wind up by saying that there a number of issues that have been raised which are also in the Report. However, remember that at the beginning, when I was moving, I mentioned that the importation of fertilizer was shrouded in mystery. It is very important that we also take the institutions to account. When you have different data between two institutions in the Government, what are we saying? Are we saying that the institutions are not communicating; or is there a deliberate distortion of information that is brought before committees? This is something that we need to watch, going forward. If information that you get from Kenya Revenue Authority (KRA) from the entry points is different from the information that is in the mother ministry, then we need to ask ourselves who is giving us the true picture, and who is not giving us the true picture? These are some of the things that led to us saying that it is good that further investigations are done. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I want to thank everybody once more. I beg to move and request to defer the putting of the question to another date pursuant to Standing Order 61(3). The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate."
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