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    "id": 886053,
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    "type": "speech",
    "speaker_name": "Sen. (Dr.) Zani",
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        "legal_name": "Agnes Zani",
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    "content": "at their closing ceremony a few hours ago and they have done so well. They started as a national initiative and now it is an international initiative. There were 13 countries present. They are really working hard to ensure that research and the quality of legislative work improves because of the research capacity that they are putting into it. Madam Temporary Speaker, on the issue of corruption, I was listening to my colleague Sen. Aaron Cheruiyot who is always very eloquent as he presents his views. However, today I wanted to hear his eloquence as he speaks about the need to fight corruption rather than apportioning blame to one party or the other. This thing is so clear and open that if somebody is listening to us from another country, for example, Uganda or Tanzania, they will wonder what we are discussing. Has money disappeared? Yes it has. I read a report that says that we have lost up to almost Kshs3 trillion. We will probably never know where that money has gone to. However, where should it have gone to? It should have gone to make sure that people do not starve in Turkana County and that we have quality education. Sen. Cheruiyot faces these issues within his county the same as Sen. Sakaja and other Senators. We should not say that the issues should go to the Ethics and Anti-Corruption Commission, (EACC). This is because we have been here in Kenya and we have seen the effort that EACC has done as far as corruption is concerned. Probably, EACC is not enough. Are we talking about fighting the scourge or how to fight it? Therefore, we should not talk about it in this roundabout and moribund way. A lot more is happening every single day. When Sen. Malalah started his Statement, he talked about countries like Singapore who borrowed the sessional paper that Kenyans had developed for their own development. When we went there as a delegation 10 years later, we asked how come they are doing so well and they said that we are the ones who gave them a template. So, there is no rocket science about this. As Kenyans, we have to make a decision to fight corruption. If we do not, we will continue to do what we are doing. It is not difficult to fight corruption because institutions and the people to do it are there. We also have a general spirit and understanding that there is a real problem. We cannot take away politicians from it because they represent their constituents who are complaining about the same thing."
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