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    "id": 892567,
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    "type": "speech",
    "speaker_name": "Suba South, ODM",
    "speaker_title": "Hon. John Mbadi",
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        "legal_name": "John Mbadi Ng'ong'o",
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    "content": "Hon. Speaker, pecuniary interest is pecuniary interest; it is not any other interest. You could have other interests but if it is not pecuniary interest nothing stops you from voting on a matter that you have any other interest. So, the issue before us is really confusing so to speak: that if a Member has an interest on a matter and has declared it so what happens? According to the Standing Orders, you are allowed to speak on that matter even after declaring interest. Actually, it says when you want to speak, you should not even declare that interest if you do not want to speak. So, when you want to speak is when you declare interest. So, the Standing Orders recognise that a Member who has an interest on a matter would speak on the matter. This is because if you do not want to speak, certainly you would not be required to declare interest. Hon. Speaker, something that I find interesting, and maybe the Chair of the Committee, Hon. Melly, would have elaborated more on, is: What is this interest? This is because sometimes, we say Members are having personal interests when they do not. Like the examples given about trade union officials, like Hon. Omboko Milemba, Hon. Sossion who is the Secretary General of KNUT and Hon. Tom Odege. When does an interest become personal? The main reason why the Orange Democratic Movement nominated Sossion was to represent teachers. So, if he represents them, he has to speak for them. That is why we even put him in the Departmental Committee on The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposes only. Acertified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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