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    "id": 903229,
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    "type": "speech",
    "speaker_name": "Sen. (Dr.) Zani",
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    "speaker": {
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        "legal_name": "Agnes Zani",
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    "content": "can we not have a provision where we can we re-edit a Bill and have it introduced in a specific House? We sent many Bills to the National Assembly and they were re-written and re-introduced to the Senate as Bills from National Assembly because they felt that those Bills should have originated from there. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I will not look at the clauses, because Sen. Sakaja and Sen. Mutula Kilonzo Jnr. looked at them in detail. Sen. Mutula Kilonzo Jnr. talked of what needs to be done so as to apply Article 110(3) of the Constitution. In fact, we once suggested that we should have a piece of paper for the two Speakers to sign. When I read the first version of this Bill, I quickly thought to myself what will happen when finally the time comes to sign it into an Act. Then I quickly saw the provisions of Clause 15. I think this is how we will save ourselves. Clause 15 says- ―A Bill presented for Presidential assent shall be accompanied by a certificate of joint concurrence by the Speakers of both Houses on the Bill.‖ In fact, we need to suspend any other Business and facilitate this Bill. That way, we will see the light of day. As it has been said earlier, the provisions of whether or not a Bill is a money Bill and all the other provisions are sorted by this Bill, whose objects are very clear through a framework of determining the nature of the Bill. As Sen. Mutula Kilonzo Jnr. said, the procedure of determining whether a Bill concerns counties seems straightforward, but it has been a big problem. We have seen it many times in this Senate that there is no Bill that does not concern counties. Everything happens and touches on the counties. With regard to the framework for resolving a dispute on whether or not a Bill concerns counties, the dispute mechanism if very clear. A well-structured Mediation Committee will help us to get to that. There is also the signing of the various pieces of processing paperwork, which is very crucial in this Bill. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, Clause 5 says- ―Upon the publication of a Bill and before the Bill is read a First Time in the House originating the Bill, the Speaker of that House shall, pursuant to Article 110(3) of the Constitution, seek concurrence of the Speaker of the other House on the Bill- (a) Is a Bill concerning counties: and, (b) If it concerns counties, whether it is a special or an ordinary Bill. That is where the problem has been. We have debated the Bill during the First and Second Readings; gone into debate and almost to the Third Reading without still determining whether or not it touches on counties or whether or not it is a Money Bill. This provision, coming at this point, is very important. Logistically, that is the way it needs to be done. The need to have concurrence is addressed very clearly in all the clauses. Clause 5(3) says- The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate."
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