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    "id": 916194,
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    "type": "speech",
    "speaker_name": "Suba South, ODM",
    "speaker_title": "Hon. John Mbadi",
    "speaker": {
        "id": 110,
        "legal_name": "John Mbadi Ng'ong'o",
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    "content": " Hon. Speaker, first, what Hon. Kaluma is referring to is a situation where it is envisaged, and as you have rightly advised him, of creating a national public fund. That must be done through an Act of Parliament. In fact, if Hon. Kaluma just took a little more time to read what he read, it says: “Money shall not be withdrawn from any national public fund other than that Consolidated Fund unless the withdrawal of the money has been authorised by an Act of Parliament”. So, if you are withdrawing money from any other fund apart from the Consolidated Fund, then you need an Act of Parliament to do so. But it is prescribed under Article 206(2) of the Constitution how to withdraw money from the Consolidated Fund. On the issue he has raised regarding what is before us it is where the Chair of the Budget and Appropriations Committee says that, the money shall not be disbursed until the Cabinet Secretary for National Treasury makes with the approval of Parliament regulations to provide a frame work for the disbursement of the monies. My understanding, which I think is correct, is that we are just putting a condition before the money on that vote is disbursed for use. Actually, this money is going to be in vote head and we have many vote heads with various regulations governing them. In fact, I would say that even the money for mileage has regulations. You have to prove that you went to your constituency and came back and there is a rate applied to it. Those are regulations even though they were not tabled here but they were brought from the Salaries and Remuneration Commission (SRC). The amounts we get weekly are actually figures that were given to us through a gazette notice by the SRC. You can treat that as regulations. So, for this money to be disbursed there must be regulations from the National Treasury and the regulations must be approved by Parliament. I want to persuade Hon. Kaluma that what he is speaking to is slightly different from what we are handling. This money will come from the Consolidated Fund, but what we are approving is just a vote head which will have the money. If we do not add this, from tomorrow after this Bill becomes an Act of Parliament, the money can be disbursed, but we are saying that before it is disbursed, you must bring regulations. This is what we were talking about to indicate how the money is going to be used. Thank you."
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