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    "speaker_name": "Kiminini, FORD-K",
    "speaker_title": "Hon. (Dr.) Chris Wamalwa",
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        "legal_name": "Chrisantus Wamalwa Wakhungu",
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    "content": " Not that, Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker. I am happy the Chairman has tried, but we thought there should be a clause on review. Even if the clause talks about five years and yet we are talking about US$250,000, it is a drop in the ocean! Italians have really benefitted from this Agreement. When you go to Italy and tell them you come from Kenya, the first thing they talk about is Malindi. There are too many Italians who have settled in Malindi because of this project. In Italy, this project is under the Ministry of Education, Science and Research, but here it is under the Ministry of Defence. We argued last time that it should be transferred to the Ministry of Education so that universities can benefit in terms of partnerships on research in space technology. We do not know why it is still under the Ministry of Defence. I think we should look for a way of moving it to the Ministry of Education, so that there is strategic partnership and transfer of technology. As the Chair has mentioned, one of the benefits is transfer of technology. Technological transfer to who? To the cooks who work there at the low cadre levels? The technological transfer is negligible. We should have our scientists working there at the top level so that they can gain from the technological transfer. When you talk about CSR, out of this issue, only two classrooms have been built. What the hell is that? If it was a CSR with a specific threshold of an amount of money, we would say we are getting something. That is why I insist that this is a parasitic relationship where our country is losing at the benefit of the Italians. The relevant CS should renegotiate. Otherwise, this is not proper representation of our country. I am a bit tired because I have just come from Trans Nzoia where I was giving a presentation to the Building Bridges Initiative (BBI) as far as reforms in this country are concerned. When I was coming, I heard a lot of challenges and problems between the Senate and the National Assembly. This sibling rivalry has to stop. We either learn to live together as brothers or we perish together as fools. We want to strengthen the Senate. Let it be the upper House. In a Motion, you can also say something that is relevant, Hon. Charles. And I expect you to know that because you are my senior. With those few remarks, I want to thank the Committee for the good work it has done. Please, go and negotiate so that we can have better returns for our country. Otherwise, you have done good work. I support the Report. The electronic version of the Official Hansard Report is for information purposes only. Acertified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor."
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