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    "id": 93796,
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    "type": "speech",
    "speaker_name": "Mr. Kioni",
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    "speaker": {
        "id": 49,
        "legal_name": "Jeremiah Ngayu Kioni",
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    "content": "Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, I stand to support the Vote for this Ministry. On the outset, I want to thank the Minister for the work that he is doing, especially in the Department of Forestry. I have personally been to that department on a number of occasions and received a lot of help. Because we do not have a lot of time, I indicated earlier on that I would be happy to see a working relationship between the Ministry of Lands and the Ministry of Local Government. I forgot to say that even more crucially, there is need for evidence that the Ministry of Lands and the Ministry of Forestry and Wildlife are working together in ensuring that Kenyans are getting the best services. I want to recognize the importance of the Ministry of Forestry and Wildlife. I am one of the people who support this Ministry to ensure that our forestry cover continues to increase other than decreasing. But even with those good intentions, it is important that as we do these things, we realize that we are also serving Kenyans. I have a letter here that I would want to just mention. This is a more specific issue, perhaps, outside the Budget issue. The Minister for Forestry and Wildlife is saying that a particular piece of land is not a forest. On the other hand, we have the Minister for Lands saying that it is a forest. We have people who have been settled in this area for more than 30 years now. We have letters coming from one Ministry saying that this is not a forest and the other Ministry is saying that this is a forest. I have done the messengerial work, going from one office to the other. Even as we sit here, I am still being told that they have again reclaimed the piece of land and it is a forest. All the legal notices are there. If it is an administrative question, even the maps are here. I have sourced all these things. These are things that were not available to those who should have had them for all those years. So, there is need to ensure that there is a better working relationship between these two Ministries. As Members of Parliament, we do not want to do this messengerial work. We do not even want to become too harsh and do things we should not do. We want the Ministry to perform but when you have these kind of cases – real cases that do not require a lot of work for them to be sorted out – it is important that they are concluded and we allow Kenyans to move on. There is no point of sending people to the graves when they are still looking for title deeds that should have been given to them even before they had their first borns. That is not fair. It is important that these Ministries work together. We will help them to"
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